Wonder if this could be made to work: Gt28rs turbo with apr manifold vw,Audi 1.8t | eBay

 

been looking at the ATP website and some nice stuff on there.

Turbos are all new to me so I'm gonna keep an eye on this thread to hopefully find that something like this will work.

 

Is it worth looking at whats out there for the 207???

 

Good luck just bolting a bigger turbo to the R56 I think your going to need it. Having heard on the grapevine what Ducks is planning he's doing it properly and I feel he will have success. The Garrett 2860rs mentioned in the other thread is the turbo Richard runs on his r53

 

Im not just talking about straight bolt on optioins, Im interested in all options for the r56- i know that could be pretty open ended as you could get almost anything to work with enough cash but it would be interesting to know what peripherals would be needed to get the 'other' options to work... surely it already being a turbo car should still mean its an easier upgrade than the r53 was ?

 

DI,= no fuel , no revs ,no power ,no turbo upgrade ....add $$$$$ to solve

 

On this subject, i think you have no idea what you are talking about You are just supposing, while there are multiple 300bhp+ cars that run for long periods without problems.

 

*Cough*

 

It's been done many times in Minis and Peugeots as well. The Mitsubishi is a very good turbo, still twin scroll, but as you can see from the dynograph, low end disappears. Awesome power is made above 4000rpm nonetheless...

Here you go...

etuners : Tuning

Not too stealthy though and certainly not for every day driving...

 

evolve have thier hybrid turbo putting out about 270hp, Imran rekons it will need some head work or cams to get anymore from it.

 

Who else has this fitted ? Interested to know more on this if anyone can point me in the right direction (pm sent to evolve already).

 

Boost without revs is known as a diesel , boost with revs is more fun !

 

If you want bigger turbo or more boost , then you need more fuel.
Fuel pressure is over 2000 psi , electro mechanical solenoid injectors are out , they can't cope , piezo injectors are in , they can , but they use a crystal wafer to operate , fed with a couple of hundred volts .
No you can't drill them out , lol
They are fast and precise , that's DI , but bigger and faster is needed for boost hike.
Mixing high voltage and low voltage in a ECU can cause problems ,circuit isolation is needed , or you can banjax the chips and programming .
This is why a separate injector driver unit is commonly used , - I don't khow how the Vipec achiieves this , but its possible just less isolated.
Also signal speeds have to increase , how fast the stock ecu can go ,- I don't know m
More boost need finer control for spikes , and raised protection , again how much is in the stock ecu?
Without the control , things can get ragged and less predicable .
Incorrect manifold can cause all sorts of reversions . Bolt on and go is less of an option like previous cars.

 

I had always planned to fit the JCW Turbo to mine but then decided to use an existing MCS Turbo and for similar money go the Hybrid route which also has the added advanatges of improving the known failure point sof shaft and thrust bearings.

Hopefully get mine done this year.

 

Nice idea - who is doing that for you ? Do you know what the specs of it will be - ie what power it is rated to ?

 

I contacted several people last year and some of the VW only places will not do it, even though it is a similar turbo, but there are several places who will do it and IIRC Evolve get theirs done by a Turbo specialist, probably to their own Evolve design, so if you go direct yourself you may save some money.

Think if you search on here early days of the R56 someone sent theirs to CR Turbos or somewhere, got good gains, then sold up.

I guess wherever I get mine done will be based on what headwork I get done and where I can get it mapped. I used Chipwizard (Wayne Schofield) for my old Clio and I may need to find somewhere similar for my remap or I believe the chap who did my headwork on the Clio, Craig Stanley of Advanced Powertrain Developments does remaps now as well so it may be prudent to drop the car off there with Hybrid turbo and get remap and head done at same time and pick it up all sorted.

Just need to cost it all but luckily have a donor turbo to use so will minimise the downtime on the car and then can sell on my old turbo.

 

K04?? I know they are getting popular in the vag scene but are now being used on Corsa vxrs, my mates just fitted one and is running a very healthy 280bhp atm, again gt2860 would be ok on the mini?? They are good for 350bhp but not sure if they are designed for 1.8 onwards, my friend can get them new for about £700

 

FJCW turbo is rated to 250bhp if I recall correctly. So you can get more with remap etc but you are over it's limit in the same way a simple remap on the MCS Turbo takes it over its rating which I think is 205bhp. It's all on the Borg Warner attachment I linked to on a post ages ago.

Think main reason people go Hybrid is to health check existing turbo and make things like the Thrust Bearing and other known failure points stronger.

I would if any of these cracks people are noticing on their used turbos are attributable to the turbos aux water pump recall?

 

I would if any of these cracks people are noticing on their used turbos are attributable to the turbos aux water pump recall?

This is exactly what I thought when I changed my 2nd MCS turbo.

Just for the history:
1st MCS turbo+MCS exhaust manifold+no mods= cracked turbo and manifold

2nd MCS turbo+JCW exhaust manifold+IC+DP+tuned to 240bhp+ = cracked turbo and manifold

3rd JCW turbo+new-different design JCW exhaust manifold+IC+DP+tuned by Evolve= Coming shortly...

So "I" destroyed two turbos,being stock and tuned. Each turbo lasted for 20K miles hard driving and the crack patterns/severity were exactly the same. So, maybe I didn't kill them after all. Maybe the water aux pump of the turbo was to blame. Now I have a new aux water pump for my new JCW turbo, so we will see how that goes...

 

You are running the stage 3 now, right? What boost and power/torque?

 

Power and torque figures are on dyno rolling road figures 2011 here on MT....

 

Expensive Turbo option:

LOBA Motorsport - LO270 Turbolader - LO270 turbocharger - R58 JCW 155 kW (211 PS) - John Cooper Works - MINI - Product Gallery

MINI COOPER WORKS R58 JCW LOBA L0270 STAGE 1 Upgrade Sports Turbocharger | eBay

Guess its £1200 ish for the new Turbo then cost of fettling and profit. Can't see many being sold at that price.

 

Well what do you want to know?
some parts:
stock pistons
stock con rods
stock manifold
turbo Arashi (subaru racing) code TD-05H-16G-8 lt's like 28/71 garrett
custom plate
gaskets
new lines (fittings?) for water and oil
full exhaust 70mm (or 2,75'')
vag blow off valve (from new audi s3)
fmic Alta (we are not sure that if, as you know here in Greece we have hot summer, we will need something bigger)

we have some future plans... :wink:
what else do you want to know?

 

I am personally interested in the following:

1. Some photos of the setup.

2. 0-400m and 0-1000m times

3. 60-160 , 100-200 , 0-200km/h times

4. Ever experienced boost cuts?

5. Traction?

 

1. photos maybe in the future if i decide to present my project (if you are interesting sent me pm to give you my fb or sent you some)

2. are you kidding? (on drag games) xaxaxaxa
3. are you kidding too? lol

4. yes pressure cuts was our problem at the beginning! the blow off valve open when the pressure was greater than 1.55 (overboost about 4200rpm) but now is not a problem... we fixed... we make a more linear diagram with e-tuners... at the begging we have 1.35bar stable pressure with an over at 1.55bar but after the adaptation my blow off valve open when i am trying to accelarate from 4100rpm and up... now we make the necessary changes...

5. the torque is extremely hi for our car and the big problem is that the peugeut have 5-speed gearbox while we have 6... and when i change gear i have all the torque (41kg) with result the stock clutch can't respond to the power... my future plans have quaife with fx400 or full osGiken... we will see...

 

1. photos maybe in the future if i decide to present my project (if you are interesting sent me pm to give you my fb or sent you some)

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if we're bailing out your economy the least you can do is whack up a project thread :lol:

 

You don't understand me. I have nothing to hide. I will soon present my project.
about the numbers i haven't car only for a straight.
and how can i really take that numbers? with my swatch....xaxaxaxa

 

we probs own your car and half your country so pics and proof please, use a V Box if Greece can afford any that is

 

Can't really see the use of such a turbo and all the mods needed to fit, if similar results can be had with a hybrid turbo setup which will probably cost a lot less.

 

The idea of ​​etuners for this project is the value for money! If you believe that 2500 euros is a lot of money for a big turbo project(without fmic and catback)... ok... do you really believe that the results is similar and in the same level of secure with an hybrid turbo? of course is what do you want from your car? what's the use you want to do...

ThePenl is fun to drive... i enjoy every moment.... if you want to put in a straight with other cars (i don't) you have to put on one big stage (like 3 or 4) clutch and of course something like a quaife... if you want just to drive fast, put it on track days (like me) and have fun, is ok with the last programming set and with parada! No i haven't now boost cuts!

No i can't afford (is not the point in this thread but because you want an answer) the buying of V box mr lordf as you said... perhaps when you are going to return any you've stolen from our country... :lol: kisses

 

The idea of ​​etuners for this project is the value for money! If you believe that 2500 euros is a lot of money for a big turbo project(without fmic and catback)... ok... do you really believe that the results is similar and in the same level of secure with an hybrid turbo? of course is what do you want from your car? what's the use you want to do...

So why is it better then a hybrid turbo? Hybrid turbo's have been proven to make the same amount of power for less money. And why would a setup where you have to modify a lot more be more reliable then a hybrid turbo? So far I haven't heard about hybrid turbo's blowing up.

 

Talking Marbles now!
Not sure what you'd get for them on the open market these days :lol:

 

The only change I did to my car (comparison to an hybrid) is that I have not open my turbo charger (in my opinion is better)...!!!
The engine (especially the rods) can not handle torque much higher than 42kg...so Phil is not the flowing injectors the problem!

 

Ok you did not open the turbocharger, (which by the way is very easy to do, even my 7 year old daughter can do it) and you thought it was better to throw a flange adapter in there to connect the cylindrical stock exhaust manifold outlet to the rectangular inlet flange of the Mitsubishi turbo. How did you manage to match that critical connection in order to guide the correct paired exhaust gases to the correct turbo inlet of the twin scroll turbo?
I am dying to see a picture of this magical flange adapter and the connection of the stock exhaust manifold to the turbo.