Or one of these?

MINI R52 R53 Komponenten

 

no prices on either, its usually the case that a product has a vast price tag when they omit it. they want to hear you shit your pants when you ring, the feckin sadists!

 

There's always the GRS chargecooler?

Linky

 

There's always the GRS chargecooler?

It's on the list.

Linky

Pace cost £1500 ish , had a couple of design issues but worked well enough , but intercoolers don't make power . Not many would have sold as it's over a price point , usually about 4 sell past this point no matter how good

They do make power! If your car has spent any amount of time on a dyno you will no that. My Airtec gave me an extra 5whp when I let it cool down for 5 mins!

I read yesterday that the KAVS allows you to retain your aircon.

Jason

The KAVS is a front runner.

I admire the effort but it looks like the worst of both worlds to me.
Putting a heat exchanger on top of a heat source is sub optimal, BMW know it, but it was the easiest way for get FI onto the Chrysler unit without major bulkhead changes to the R53. Given the likely cost of developing this unit I would have thought they would have been better trying to evolve one of the FMIC designs that have been tried elsewhere...

I see it a beneficial because as you may of read in this thread a pump can fail causing expensive engine damage! If the pump fails at least you still have a top mount! I would rather limp it back than have it sit on the back of a tow truck! :laugh:

Hmm GPIC + M7 Vortex or Kavs Chargecooler?

Only bought a JCW Carbon scoop a few months ago! I no where I can get a M7 V on the cheap. Would have to have it carbon coated though.

Showing my age but the first car I remember having a chargecooler, or at least making a fuss about it, was the Lotus Esprit Turbo and anything that makes my Mini more like James Bond's car has to be good
On a slightly more grown-up note, a Lotus having one is hardly inspiring confidence in its reliability.

New M3 & M5 use charge coolers.

Haha If they are reliable and give wicked IAT's then maybe its worth it, But why not just go topmount and meth? I doubt a chargecooler will ever see below ambient temps like meth will.

The tanks I have seen are far to small plus it takes up room in the boot. The only on I like is the one below. Cost wise it top trumps the Pace by £700! :lol:

100% what he says ^^

I have a charge cooler and its great BUT if your pump fails you have to have he hearing of a god to notice. For instance, I was cruising down the motorway to a meet with no knowledge that one of the wires had snapped on the water pump... few miles later and that was one exhaust valve somewhere down the M6. Then this week my reverse light bulb broke and shorted blowing the fuse, doesn't sound like much of a problem eh? Well it was because the live feed that powers my reverse light is the live feed that my charge coolers water pump is tapped in to so as soon as the fuse went (which I had no idea about) I didn't have a water pump again. I was just lucky enough to notice that I couldn't hear it before anything went bang.

The upside is that the temps it produces are really good, I've never seen above 40deg when hooning and cruising along it happily sits at 2-4 above ambient. So positives and negatives really, as with all intercooler set ups, its just about which negatives you would rather.

That is why I want one. Summer is coming & it's dyno season :laugh:

Doesn't stop the part failing and its another variable to add to the car. Although it does offer protection to the car, you are still sat by the road side waiting for the AA.

Not with the Pace! As stated above.

Why has no one come up with a closed loop system that uses refrigerant? All run by an electric aircon motor? The US have air con kits with electric pumps.

I'm about to have a word with Pro Alloy about such a system.

 

Pace cost £1500 ish , had a couple of design issues but worked well enough , but intercoolers don't make power . Not many would have sold as it's over a price point , usually about 4 sell past this point no matter how good

 

KAVS make a chargecooler too.
charge cooler

Am I right in thinking that aircon has to go with either the KAVS or GRS chargecoolers?

 

I read yesterday that the KAVS allows you to retain your aircon.

Jason

 

charge cooler

Jason

 

Kavs allows you to keep air con, just buy a beasting front mount

 

I admire the effort but it looks like the worst of both worlds to me.
Putting a heat exchanger on top of a heat source is sub optimal, BMW know it, but it was the easiest way for get FI onto the Chrysler unit without major bulkhead changes to the R53. Given the likely cost of developing this unit I would have thought they would have been better trying to evolve one of the FMIC designs that have been tried elsewhere...

 

Hmm GPIC + M7 Vortex or Kavs Chargecooler?

 

Im not sold on chargecoolers. Just seems like another point of failure.

 

Showing my age but the first car I remember having a chargecooler, or at least making a fuss about it, was the Lotus Esprit Turbo and anything that makes my Mini more like James Bond's car has to be good
On a slightly more grown-up note, a Lotus having one is hardly inspiring confidence in its reliability.

 

Haha If they are reliable and give wicked IAT's then maybe its worth it, But why not just go topmount and meth? I doubt a chargecooler will ever see below ambient temps like meth will.

 

Sad but true but it's the still cooling whilst sat in traffic that is selling the chargecooler to me. If I was using meth on the commute to the office I'd need a re-fill every day.

It's a moot point at the moment, no chance of either happening when I've got coils to pay for.

 

Sad but true but it's the still cooling whilst sat in traffic that is selling the chargecooler to me. If I was using meth on the commute to the office I'd need a re-fill every day.

Im not that bothered about my IAT's in traffic tbh, You aint ragging around so they dont need to be low (would I like them lower? Sure, but I wouldnt spend 4 figures on it lol). Your temps wont be high with a air to air while moving so you know, Just seems to solve a problem thats not a problem by going with a chargecooler, just my 2 cents lol.

 

Charge coolers work well but they have limits once the water is hot it can take a lot longer to recover than a hot A2A. Combine and A2A with meth is still the best system in my view for the following reasons:

- If the pump on a charge cooler fails you are cooked, its a case of shut down and call a tow truck, its not easy to tell it ifs blown at 1st either unless you have some sort of warning light installed.

- If meth fails or runs out you still have an A2A IC that works.

- Cost wise a CC is about the same as a GRS + meth.

- With A2A + meth you have a lot more flexibility, If you need to change to a front mount its easier as well.

 

100% what he says ^^

I have a charge cooler and its great BUT if your pump fails you have to have he hearing of a god to notice. For instance, I was cruising down the motorway to a meet with no knowledge that one of the wires had snapped on the water pump... few miles later and that was one exhaust valve somewhere down the M6. Then this week my reverse light bulb broke and shorted blowing the fuse, doesn't sound like much of a problem eh? Well it was because the live feed that powers my reverse light is the live feed that my charge coolers water pump is tapped in to so as soon as the fuse went (which I had no idea about) I didn't have a water pump again. I was just lucky enough to notice that I couldn't hear it before anything went bang.

The upside is that the temps it produces are really good, I've never seen above 40deg when hooning and cruising along it happily sits at 2-4 above ambient. So positives and negatives really, as with all intercooler set ups, its just about which negatives you would rather.

 

Charge coolers will only work when stationary for so long. The pre-rad can't cool down the water unless there is air flowing on it, but you can fit electric fan(s) to help though. The recovery once you get moving again is amazing, I've had IATs creep up to 60 degrees when stuck in traffic in London (there's no escape!!), but as soon as you get to clear road, the IATs drop in seconds.

 

air con stays with KAVS (if you want to), yes;

 

Doesn't stop the part failing and its another variable to add to the car. Although it does offer protection to the car, you are still sat by the road side waiting for the AA.

 

So given the chance would you do it all again or go for something different?

 

I've had it for 2 years now and not a single issue; what I read above is more due to the way it was installed; a meth kit is a good thing but to say you'll have less problems to care about is a bit bold; if you want constant power and lower temps than any A2A option can provide I'd say the Chargecooler is a good decision; can the water pump potentially, theoretically go wrong? yes; but how many of these pumps have failed? anyone? recovery is a small bit worse than with a top mount, but after a couple of hundred meters on an open road it's superior again;

 

I'd do it all again tbh, it does perform really well and the issues I've had (although one of them had a rather large consequence) have been small and simple fixes. As Adam says, a light to let you know when something is wrong is something I'd add but other than that it's been worthwhile.

 

going down the meth route wouldn't one want to tune to it to get the max out? (running out is dangerous in that case) depends on the setup but what distance can 1 reservoir cover? My average hoon is about 300 km by the Adriatic (well above 30 Celsius during the summer); as for the Chargecooler: wouldn't a sudden raise in temps alarm you even without the warning LED?

 

^ A man who has never had to drive in a uk city centre.

 

I was in UK several times mate. For sure a lot more then you in Slovenia. LOL!

 

Thats not the point although Ive spent a fair amount of time that way working in Ukraine so I know how hot your summers are. Toms car had this happen and it cooked his engine. Im not saying its a problem as his is the only car I know this has happened to, however it is something people should bear in mind. Just like how running out of meth or the meth system failing can cause issues. Its the tuned car dilemma, how far, how complex, how much risk.

 

You make me smile a lot now. ))

Michelin Tolmin Kiev route planner

 

BTW the highest temp in 2013 in my town were 38°C.

I hope you have so hot summers in London and other UK cities - otherwise is even more funny. (BTW - I know you haven't )

 

Three weeks in Kiev and it didnt drop below 45c, I didnt know it could be that hot for so long in one place. Coming back to the 'summer' in Edinburgh where it was 25c and I felt freezing.

 

If we're talking random heat, Belize was hot when I was there in August 89. Three weeks as a student being paid to pretend to be a solider.